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November 10, 2023

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Premier Burt announced the members of the Tax Reform Commission, which will examine how to make Bermuda's tax system fairer while implementing the new global minimum tax that affects large multinational companies. Education Minister Rabain provided positive updates on the new Signature Learning Programmes at CedarBridge Academy and Berkeley Institute, showing students are more engaged. Labour Minister Hayward outlined the government's response to Bermuda's housing crisis, including plans to renovate 137 old housing units and develop new residential areas in Hamilton.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Nov 10, 2023
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 22
Speeches 652

Key Topics

Tax Reform Commission establishment and members announced to review Bermuda's tax systemEducation reform update on Signature Learning Programmes at high schoolsHousing shortage crisis and government plans to increase affordable housing supplyCondolences for recently deceased community members including former MP Walter Roberts

Bills & Motions

No bills were read or voted on in this sitting
This was primarily a session for ministerial statements and questions from opposition members
The session focused on government updates rather than legislative business

Notable Moments

The Premier estimated that about 10% of Bermuda's 16,000 registered companies (roughly 1,400-1,600 entities) may be affected by the new corporate income tax
Strong praise was given to the all-Bermudian cast of the musical "Sarafina!" which sold out and added extra shows
Multiple Members paid tribute to Walter Roberts, a former Progressive Labour Party MP who served Sandys constituency for decades

Debate Transcript

652 speeches from 22 speakers
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are we back on, sir? The Recording Technician : Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will have to check.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. The Recording Technician : But we are up on the cell phone . . .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Right. The Recording Technician : So, we are live on the cell phone .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. So at least they can hear. The Recording Technician : They can hear and can see.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. We are just checking so that we can . . . [Pause]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. We are back, and we are good to go. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Premier, you have a Statement. [Crosstalk ] [Pause]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Has everybody got at least two Statements in front of them? Just one? [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, yes. Okay. Members, we will resume, and the Premier will present his Statement on the Tax Reform Commission. Mr. Premier, you have the floor. TAX REFORM COMMISSION Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, today I rise to provide an update to this Honourable …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Premier. The next Ministerial Statement is from the Minister of Education, Minister Rabain. Minister, you have the floor. EDUCATION REFORM UPDATE Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Good afternoon, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise today to provide this House and the listening public with an update …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister Rabain. The next Ministerial Statement is from the Honourable Minister Jason Hayward. Minister Hayward, you have the floor. ADDRESSING BERMUDA’S HOUSING SHORTAGE Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise before this Honourable House today to address the status of housing in …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister Hayward. QUESTION PERIOD
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We have one question for the Premier by the Honourable Member Pearman. Mr. Pearman. QUESTION 1: TAX REFORM COMMISSION
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Good morning to you and to the listening public. Thank you, Honourable Premier, for your Statement to this Honourable House this morning on the Tax Reform Commission. I just have a question on page 2 of the Statement where you state, and with your leave, …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker and thank you for the suggestion that the Premier bring that information to the House. And I am grateful that the Premier has agreed to do so. Just on my math, so it is 16,000. If we are talking 10 per cent, I think that …
Mr. Scott Pearman Second question, Honourable Premier. On the third page of your Statement, you spoke about the Commission will review data and other input from the working group. I am just wondering, in terms of the multi -national enterprise groups and the data, where are those data being drawn from? Are those …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and thank you, Honourable Premier. The reference is on page 3. It is the second paragraph. And it speaks about how the Commission will review data and other input from the working group. And I am just wondering how those data were gathered and …
Mr. Scott Pearman I am grateful for that answer. To be fair to the Premier, it was a two- part question, and he did answer one of the parts, that companies have not been asked to submit that information. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman The other part of the question is, When we are talking about estimates of how many en-tities might fall into this tax bucket (to use simple lan-guage), where are we getting those data from in order to form those estimates, such as the estimate of 1,400, which I appreciate is …
Mr. Scott Pearman No further questions. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank you, Premier. [No audio] QUESTION 1: ADDRESSING BERMUDA’S HOUSING SHORTAGE
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you and good morning, colleagues. Just a quick question. This particular Statement is pretty much directed toward renting and low - cost housing rental units. Has there been any thought to possibly the same group that is helping with this here looking at single- unit homes? Because we know …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Second question. On the last page, the Minister speaks of recommendations. And one of those recommendations on the last page at the top is removing properties from the vacation rental market and making them available to renters. Has there been any discussion with the vacation rental market about this possibility? …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any further questions? The Honourable Member Susan Jackson would like to ask a question also. Ms. Jackson, you have the floor. QUESTION 1: ADDRESSING BERMUDA’S HOUSING SHORTAGE
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Good morning. My question to the Minister, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is on the final page when the Minister men-tioned that he proposes recommended legislative changes, and he sort of referred to some of the tenant/landlord issues or bits that may be included in the legislation. But I am …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: There is ongoing consultation and dialogue between the Department of Consumer Af-fairs and the retail divisions within the Chamber of Commerce who are responsible for real estate. Those are dialogues which are leading to reforming the Landlord and Tenant A ct specifically. We had not delved …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Any further questions, Ms. Jackson?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, thank you. 12 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Okay. Thank you. That ends the Question Period. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Honourable Premier, David Burt. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as we lead off our session today, remembering and understanding that recently the country lost a former giant of this House. And that would be in the name of Mr. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Wayne Caines.
Mr. Wayne Caines Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to offer condolences to the family of Mr. Icen “Bud” Robinson. Mr. Robinson was born in Bermuda, Mr. Deputy Speaker, in 1982. At about four years old, Mr. Deputy Speaker, he contracted a medical condition called relapsing pol-ychondritis. And …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You had some.
Mr. Wayne Caines He attended the Prospect Primary School “French Vale” . He attended Bermuda Institute, and he graduated from the CedarBridge Academy. Icen was a phenomenal man, always in good spirits. At his funeral he had young people from all walks of life in Bermuda. Everyone was there. They celebrated in St. …
Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker the deputy speaker Thank you.
Mr. Wayne Caines Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker,
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Honourable Member Renee Ming from St. George’s. Ms. Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker and listening audience. This morning I bring obituary prayers and thoughts. Mr. Deputy Speaker, St. George’s, where my heart is —
Mrs. Renee Ming —has suffered over the last probably six weeks. So, I will take them in the order that the person has passed.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mrs. Renee Ming I would like to remember Mrs. Sandra Moniz. For those of you who are from St. George’s, you would know Mrs. Moniz. She was a strong Seventh- day Adventist.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Amen!
Mrs. Renee Ming But she watched a lot of the St. George’s children. Fortunately I had Aunt Lucy. You either went to Mrs. Moniz, or you went to Aunt Lucy , or you went to maybe Aunt Angie and Ms. Daniels , just like that. That is how St. George’s is. But you …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mrs. Renee Ming But her way of training was very different.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It works.
Mrs. Renee Ming You know, she said, You just tap their hand. They know not to go over there.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is right.
Mrs. Renee Ming So, I used to appreciate some of the notes that she would give you in terms of motherhood. [Laughter]
Mrs. Renee Ming Because she had been a mother, too, of so many. I would like for her husband of many, many years to know that he is in our thoughts and prayers, and her children as well. And I also want to give obituary prayers and thoughts to [the family of] . …
Mrs. Renee Ming But he had been around my Anderson family for years. He was really good friends with my Uncle Lewis. And I believe he worked at the hotel in St. George’s for many years. So, you may know him, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mrs. Renee Ming And he passed in September as well, and he will be missed as a fixture around St. 14 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly George’s, on the square, at his regular seat at Richard Allen AME Church as well. And I would also like to let …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Oh. Yes.
Mrs. Renee Ming So, she has been converted. [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, indeed.
Mrs. Renee Ming Yes. And she spent a good portion of 20 or 30 years down in St. George’s. [Timer chimes]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Oh, no!
Mrs. Renee Ming And I would just like to be associated with the comments for Icen Robinson. Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member, Mr. Cannonier. Mr. Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would like to also add my condolences to the passing of Sandra Moniz, Aunt Sandra. I spent a lot of weekends in her home, Pathfinders with her sons, and her daughter who actually went to high school with me abroad when we went. …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier This was someone who was very social.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker A very social house.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. I would love to sit down and have a wine with you and chat. He was a major part of establishing my branch in constituency 12. So, to his wife and family we send condolences. His funeral was yesterday, and I know that one of our Members at least …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker They are?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier My grandson plays for Dandy Town, so I want to be able to attend his final match at eight o’clock tonight. [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So good luck to the teams tonight.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Two very, very, very good teams are squaring it off in the under -13s, and well coached and managed, I must say. Both clubs are doing a fantastic job with our young people in football.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cannonier. Any other Members? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Susan Jackson. You have the floor, Ms. Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would like to take a few moments to be associated with the [condolences regarding] the passing of Walter Roberts.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson He was a very close family friend of my parents. As I was remembering with his two daughters, Karen and Lisa, we kind of grew up run-ning around the kitchen table while all of the family adults sat at the kitchen table solving all of the problems of the world, …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson But I certainly do send condolences to the family. My heart is with them now and al-ways. Thank you.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member Jackson. The Chair recognises the Honourable Jamahl Simmons.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I rise today to pay tribute to the person whom I . . . one of the people whom I succeeded in the Sandys South constituency 33 area, Mr. Walter Roberts, a giant in Sandys politics, a man of the people, a man of humility. …
Mr. Scott Simmons Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and good morning to Honourable Members. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise in this Honourable House joining my colleagues certainly in giving condo-lences to [the family of] a friend of the family, someone whom I knew for a very, very, very long time. Those …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Zane De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like the House to send condolences to [the family of] Mr. Millard “Shinah” Simons from Somerset.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I associate the Premier and also Diallo — 16 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: The whole House. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The whole House, the whole House. Thank you very much. Shinah was …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. You have only got three minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But he, myself and a few others from Somerset formed the West End Runners Club many years ago. And he will be sadly missed. His son, Leonard “Shinah” Simons, Jr., gave a very good tribute, one that …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Whilst I am on my feet, I would also, Mr. Deputy Speaker, like the House to send condolences to the family of Sheila Burrows. Sheila, as everyone knows, was the stalwart behind former Member Reggie Burrows. And I associate the Premier and the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And as you will know, she lost her husband, the former Assistant Commissioner Moniz, earlier this year. So, I suspect they are up in heaven now wishing that they had voted for PLP when they were here. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Quickly. Your three minutes is up. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Really quickly. Collie Buddz —and I will declare my interest. Collie Buddz had another record that topped the billboards in the reggae albums, and I would like to send him congratulations. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Kim Swan, Brother Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. [Deputy Speaker], I would like to be associated with the condolences to [the family of] cousin Walter Roberts, an icon of the Somerset Bridge community, who was the first Southampton Gleber to get elected to Parliament amongst some 10 or 11 of us …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. To St. George’s, yes. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Ms. Moniz, whose husband is a very dear friend of mine, whose brothers and sis-ters are close friends of mine and constituents, and whose aunt married my uncle, Stanley Hall. B ermuda House of Assembly Ms. Nina Smith, who is also from that Roberts family, so that Roberts family in …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Mr. Swan. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Michael Weeks. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and thank you.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Uh-huh. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to start off with being associated with the remarks for Mr. Walter Roberts. Mr. Deputy Speaker, before I got into politics, I did not know Mr. Roberts. But once I decided to enter the fray and became a member …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: We had a foursome of golf, a golf foursome, Mr. Deputy Speaker, before I take my seat.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. We understand. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Honourable Deputy Leader Walter Roban. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Certainly, I want to be associated with the condolences that were given to Mr. Walter Roberts, a former Member of this House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: There are not many Members who had opportunity to work with him, you being one of the few who is left as a parliamentarian.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I certainly had extensive years to work with Mr. Roberts prior to his retirement from Parliament and had the benefit of certainly his leadership in the party, but also his clear instructions in the development of canvassing and other foresights that he had for how …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The Chair recognises the Honourable Richard Pearman. Mr. Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Richard Scott! Ahh!
Mr. Scott Pearman Richard Scott, yes indeed. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I know that my honourable colleague Craig Cannonier and— [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Scott Pearman There you go, there you go. I know that my honourable colleague Mr. Craig Cannonier and indeed Minister Weeks have already spoken in memory of David Pugh, who died untimely very recently. And I just want to add a few personal ob-servations. I had the distinct honour and pleasure of …
Mr. Scott Pearman He did not truck any [misbehaviour] in his meetings when he chaired them. And there was an occasion. I will not name the Honourable Member, but a former Honourable Member of this House was frequently late to these meetings (he also sat on the board). And David at one point, …
Mr. Scott Pearman And he would do that quietly and discreetly and without seeking credit for that. And he was a very decent man who was much loved and will be very missed. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Mr. Pearman. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Tyrrell. You have the floor.
Mr. Neville. S. Tyrrell Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and good morning, all. Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me first associate myself with two persons who have already been named this morning, the first one Walter Roberts, whom I always thought of as a giant of a man. And when I was president …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Leader of the Opposition, [Jarion] Richardson. Mr. Richardson, you have the floor. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I rise to pass my condolences on to the family of David Benevides of Benevides & Associates Archi-tects.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Associate. Hon. Jarion Richardson: I associate the House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. Jarion Richardson: As a young Sea Cadet, I grew up on the water. And when I tried to get back into sailing later on in life, he was always very encouraging. He was an avid sailor, but he was also obviously well known as being an award …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. 20 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Lovitta Foggo from St. George’s.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks for Mrs. Moniz, a matriarch of St. George’s, a lady who did take care of many of the young ones who are now adults themselves. But one of her granddaughters has continued her …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Icen Robinson.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Go ahead.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I am a proud grandmother, Mr. Deputy Speaker. [Laughter]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I just want to say that.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Oh, you are? I did not know that.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Icen Robinson. I taught Icen.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You did?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo And Icen will be missed. Icen was able to survive into his 40s, because if anyone knew the ailment, and the Member, Mr. Caines, did share the ailment that he suffered from . . . Icen enjoyed life, but he lived longer than anyone ever anticipated that he would. And …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Right.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to give congratulations to Mrs. LeiLanni [Nesbeth], and I would like to associate the Minister for Education with these remarks, Robain . . . Diallo. [Laughter] Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo: LeiLanni has proven her football talents time and time again. I would like to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The whole House.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I would like to associate the House, Mr. Deputy Speaker. She indeed was one of those who were playing and contributed to the success of the women’s football team for her school in the United States. They are the champion team in the United States for females. I believe it …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. Yes. Thank you.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, last but not least, Mr. Walter Roberts.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Yes.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Everybody has spoken about this giant of a man. And I would like to be associated with him. [Timer chimes]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo And I ask your indulgence as well, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for five more seconds just to simply say —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You need to say what you have got to say.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you. To simply say that I am glad that we have received his education when it comes to politics because I did get to be a member of a special luncheon club, the only female. And I benefited greatly from all those giants who are part of that club. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Chair recognises the Honourable Anthony Richardson. Mr. Richardson, you have the floor.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker and to the listening audience and my fellow colleagues. I will do my three minutes. First of all, to add to the comments for the Honourable Walter Roberts. My recollection of Mr. Roberts when I first came to the PLP many, many years ago actually …
Mr. Anthony Richardson My personal one was always the beef pies, but you could also get on the sweet side a lemon pie. And I know that there was an attempt for the tradition to be passed on. And so Ronita may not be listening right now, but I truly pray that she …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. The Chair recognises the Honourable Diallo Rabain. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as the Honourable Member Anthony Richardson did, I would like to be associ-ated with the condolences for June Beek and her fam-ily. Recently Kingsley, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. 22 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Timer chimes] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: So, we send congratulations to those young men who will be awarded prizes tonight.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, yes. They are the best. Any further speakers? Minister Campbell. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. First of all, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to associate myself with the comments in regard to Mr. David Benevides and Mr. Arnold Woollard. Mr. Benevides, as was stated, was …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Ah. Great! Hon. Vance Campbell: And I would like to associate the entire House with these congratulatory remarks. I would also like, on the same vein, to send out birthday wishes to a young lady who is slightly younger than Mrs. Brown, Viviana Durango Marzan, who happens to live a …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh! Ah! Yes! [Desk thumping] Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Ben Smith.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to give congratulatory remarks to Bermuda’s Pan American Games team that just competed in San Diego, Chile. Overall, great results throughout our team, multiple personal bests, also records that I think it is important to point out t hat …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. There appear to be . . . oh, Cousin Jason, Minister Jason Hayward. You have the floor, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise today to give special congratulatory remarks to my constituents who reside at 26 Euclid Avenue, Mr. and Mrs. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, indeed. Hon. Jason Hayward: o I am sure the whole House will want to be associated with those two wonderful individuals.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Brother Famous, Honourable Member Famous, you are next.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to start off with condolences to the family of Mrs. Betty -Anne Darrell, sister of Honourable Michael Weeks. She was a resident of Devonshire. I would also like to associate with the passing of Mr. David Cook. Also, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Mrs. Bernice Morton, …
Mr. Christopher Famous Just to say my constituent. As the Honourable Member says, she lost her husband earlier this year, so my condolences to Stephen and his sister, and all Devon Heights because they are very close up there. Mrs. Lesseline Young of Spring Road, my constituent. I know she voted for me. …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, 25 years ago I left my job at BELCO. I told my boss I will be going out to the store. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous I came out Cross Street, and there were thousands of people lining the street because the Progressive Labour Party had finally crossed the River Jordan. I do not say that lightly be-cause we know that there were the MPs. But we also know that there were the branches and we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Let me say before we do a minute of silence for the former Honourable Member Walter Roberts that I would like to send condolences out to the family for Ms. Bernice Morton, a constituent of number 5 in Hamilton Parish. A wonderful woman, the wife of …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker [There are] none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none, I am told. GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. OPPOSITION BILLS [None] PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS [None] NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There is notice of a Motion on the Floor. Mr. Weeks. MOTION 24 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly AUTHORISE THE PURCHASE OF ALL THAT SOUTHERNMOST STRIP OF LAND TO BE SUBDIVIDED FROM LAND SITUATED AT 18 SECRETARY LANE, ST. GEORGE’S GE05 IN THE ISLAND OF …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister Weeks. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Consideration of the Speech. Mr. Premier. MOTION THAT CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO THE THRONE SPEECH WITH WHICH HER EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR WAS PLEASED TO OPEN THE PRESENT SESSION OF PARLIAMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that consideration be given to the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Honourable Leader of the Opposition, Mr. [Jarion] Richardson, will deliver that Reply to the Throne Speech. Mr. Richardson, you have the floor. [Pause and crosstalk]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you for waiting, [Honourable Member] Richardson. Does everybody have one? Certainly, the Speaker would like to follow. Thank you, sir. Mr. Richardson, you may proceed. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. REPLY TO THE 2023 THRONE SPEECH LET’S GET IT DONE TOGETHER Hon. Jarion Richardson: Mr. Deputy …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. And before I recognise the next speaker, I would like to put to the House that the hour is now 12:25. And before the next speaker I would like to suggest that perhaps we carry over after lunch and continue at that time. All agree? Yes. The …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Good afternoon. [Gavel]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We are resuming our Reply to the Throne Speech. And the first speaker of the after-noon would be the Honourable Member Jason Hayward, who will be the first speaker for the Government. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Hayward, you have the floor. DEBATE ON THE 2023 THRONE SPEECH AND REPLY …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. Are there any other speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Ben Smith. [Honourable Member] Ben, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the first thing I would like to do is thank our Honourable Leader for listening to the population.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith Because Mr. Deputy Speaker, I found it interesting that the Honourable Minister who just took his seat pointed out that the people at the PGA did not see the issues that were pointed out in our Reply to the Throne Speech. But Mr. Deputy Speaker, maybe they did not see …
Mr. Ben Smith So, I am going to start with a story of a mother who had to make the decision to pack up from Bermuda House of Assembly Bermuda and take her young son, leave and move to England because the neighbourhood that she lived in was going to prey on her …
Mr. Ben Smith So, the Minister who continues to chirp as I talk needs to understand that not everybody is feel-ing the same way that he has put out. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the senior who has lost her husband, who was the breadwinner in the house, the person who paid the bills, the person who was making sure that everything was done for her, who now cannot get around and is having her neigh-bour get her around, and …
Mr. Ben Smith So, what we are pointing out to you, the negativity that they are referring to is the reality of our people. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, when we talk about that we would like to get together to work together, what we are actually referring to is real collaboration, not the …
Mr. Ben Smith The issue that this Government has is that they are laughing when we mention accountability, integrity and transparency, because the country has not seen that from them. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we will talk to education. In the Throne Speech it refers to an Education Au-thority. The One Bermuda Alliance …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith So, let us see if the Government finagles the scores to get to that result. The Minister should look up that word, and maybe he will figure out what it means. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Deputy Speaker, we will also look to make sure that we are scoring our schools, the facil-ity, because our students are held accountable by their grades. That means that we should also be holding everyone accountable for how they get to that result. Because we sh ould not have …
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Minister wants to say that public school enrolment increased, and that is probably because there are so many people in Bermuda who no longer can afford anything. Because right now — [Inaudible interjections] 36 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben …
Mr. Ben Smith You are really funny, huh? I am glad he keeps laughing because I am pretty sure the people in this country who are having to make the decision to get on a plane and leave their home forever are not laughing the way the Minister of Labour is laughing right …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What’s the solution? Join CARICOM?
Mr. Ben Smith The solution is to no longer have the present Government ruling this country. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Deputy Speaker, one thing the Minister who took his seat liked to say —Well, no one is giving us any credit! Well, you pat yourselves on the back so much, why should anybody else have to give you credit? Put on a hard hat, stand in front of an …
Mr. Ben Smith So that is the actual reality, and now we like to hear them talk about what is happening in this country. But what they are actually not doing is listening or looking as they walk around this community. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, I remember something clearly the last time that I was in this House of Assembly. And I heard the arrogance. I heard the arrogance, getting up talking about that we are the past and they are the future. I am going to ask whether that future involved what we …
Mr. Ben Smith They want to talk about changes, but they have had six years and where are they? Implement them! Implement them. And talk about the one behind me who is chirping right now. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Ben Smith Because I will tell you what. What I will say is this: After — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Come on, Ben! Correct yourself!
Mr. Ben Smith I do not have to correct myself because your Minister did not correct himself. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member referred to MP Famous as “the one behind me.” And I think in this House we call each other “Honourable Members.” The Honourable Member should correct himself.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Take your seat. Take your seat.
Mr. Ben Smith I am not talking about the Honourable Member, but it was interesting that he knew who I was talking about.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It does not matter. He referred to a Member of this House as “the one.” Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben Smith: Now, moving forward—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hang on. Hang on. Take your seat, Mr. De Silva.
Mr. Ben Smith The Honourable Member behind me (if that is going to satisfy them) — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith —when the Reply was completed, he said, Oh, I hope that you . . . did you add to that? Did you write part of that speech? My answer to him is this: The people wrote that speech. [Laughter]
Mr. Ben Smith The people of the country wrote that speech. Because guess what?
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order. Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Mr. Ben Smith Look at what is written in that speech!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order? [Crosstalk]
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There is a point of order.
Mr. Ben Smith Look at the list that was put out —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, the Member is bringing . . . the Member is misleading this House. I categorically said to the Member in front of me, the Honourable Member in front of me. I said, Honourable Member, did you write any of this? He said, No, no, no, no, no, no. …
Mr. Ben Smith Is that a point of order, or is he just talking?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, Mr. Ben [Smith].
Mr. Ben Smith As I stated, that Honourable Member behind me, when he asked that question— and he just repeated it —I did not say no. I did not do that.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes, you did! Yes, you did.
Mr. Ben Smith I said, I didn’t do it. I didn’t write it. Correct? That is what he just repeated. And I am going to repeat now, The people of this country wrote that. Because when you read that list, whether the Members of this House would like to or not, I want …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith Once again, Mr. Deputy Speaker, they want to continue not to listen. The population are the ones who are feeling. Doom and gloom is the reality of many in our country. If you are waiting in that food line, do you think that the economic recovery that the Minister and …
Mr. Ben Smith So how long do we have to wait? Because the opportunity was put out, and now it looks like we are having to shift to another part of Hamilton because we have not had any takers. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith So now I am wondering whether they will get up and explain that one a little better with more detail. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the attitude of this party . . . and let me take that back. Let me take that back. It is not all of the Progressive Labour …
Mr. Ben Smith And I will not say that. I am going to be honest with you.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Divide and conquer.
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Deputy Speaker, —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It won’t work. Another Hon. Member: Divide and conquer.
Mr. Ben Smith —the issue that we have in this country is . . . I am not looking for that division. Trust me. That is not what it is. But there are some parts of the Progressive Labour Party who have lost their way. There are some parts of the Progressive Labour …
Mr. Ben Smith So, my question is, Where is that urgent care coming from? Because right now that Throne Speech did not provide that. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Ben Smith The Reply pointed out, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that we have to get back to basics. We have to start to look at the integrity, the accountability. And actually doing the rules that are supposed to happen in this Honourable House. Because Mr. Deputy Speaker, we have strayed from that. And …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member, Mr. Smith. [Desk thumping]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The next speaker is the Honourable Member Kim Wilson. You have the floor, Minister Wilson. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to join in the chorus that was the commencement of the debate this afternoon by the Honourable Member Jason Hayward, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Yes. Continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is no secret that our Bermuda health system needs strengthening overall. We need to ensure that our residents have access to affordable and essential health care services when they need them, at the right location, at costs that are …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: So, the first one, Mr. Deputy Speaker . . . well, let me just back up for a minute because I know that health care costs are unsustainable. And we know that a lot of individuals are suffering and having difficulties with respect to accessing …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: In order to get to those pathways, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we interviewed approximately 1,135 stakeholders. They were directly engaged in these three care pathways. And it included 751 residents who responded to surveys and patients and health service providers. So, we have done a lot …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Could we just pause a minute? In our presence we have the former Leader of the Opposition, my cousin, Cole H edley Simons. [Desk thumping]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Welcome back, Cole! [Debate on the Throne Speech and Reply, continu ing]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue. Thank you, Kim. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So, our current data collection efforts are insufficient. And we recognise that we need to do better as it relates to that. And as such, moving forward we are committed to enhancing our data collection. And one of …
Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker the deputy speaker Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, principle number 08, preventing wasteful care and promoting efficiency. Again, that is tired directly to the Bermuda Health Strategy 2022– 2027. And we are working toward that avenue as well. With respect to strategic principle number 05, strengthening our health care workforce, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister Wilson. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Susan Jackson. Ms. Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. If you want to get something done, ask a woman. [Laughter]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I have to absolutely commend the Minister of Health for that speech and for all the work that she has been doing. I would like to take advantage of the situation and focus in on our seniors for a few minutes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, please do.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And so, given the context that the Minister of Health has laid out for us right now, I would like to first of all mention that within the Throne Speech there was not much mention to or about seniors and in the Reply to the Throne Speech there was the …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Deputy Speaker, the seniors in our community are really having a difficult time. The Minister of Health has clearly set out pathways to make sure that our seniors are healthy or have access to services that are going to keep them healthy and maintain their healt h. But there …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —or it could be a caregiver, or it could just be a stranger out there in this world who wants to steal their money and commit fraud, whatever. And we have seen instances of that in Bermuda locally and we have also seen external foreign folk, whether they are calling …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —which is going to lead me on to another point.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Our transportation system in Bermuda is not quite as coordinated as our health sys-tem.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And we need to have that conversation. I have made it clear. I have sent the message. We have got to have some sort of roundtable. We have got to have a summit. And getting back to and sticking to the Throne Speech, we have to look at reviewing some …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So somehow, we have got to have that conversation, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And it is not enough for us to just simply throw a crumb at the industry in hopes of . . . maybe just as a delay tactic because we are just not ready to have that conversa-tion. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You were doing so well.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I know I was doing really well, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I really did. But you know, all I can think of is it’s Front Street. And that just . . . you know, we have all been there together. And so, I am going to leave it there, but I …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mm-hmm. I can. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am going to end—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —with the hope that Bermuda is able to reposition and get itself on a trajectory for prosperity. When I listened to the Reply to the Throne Speech that the Opposition Leader gave today, —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —it was uplifting. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson For me personally to dream of what it would look like for us to get back to that place . . . and Mr. Deputy Speaker, I get it. We get beat up sometimes. I am just going to make the analogy of a house or a building, right?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson You get beat up with hurricanes. You get beat up from the salt, the humidity and then here comes something more catastrophic like COVID -19 and you can’t get out and you can’t maintain anything and it gets neglected. It absolutely gets ne-glected. And so, at some point we have …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member Jackson. [Inaudible interjections] [Gavel]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Kim Swan from St. George’s. MP Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will just wait for the clock to be adjusted so I get my 40 minutes. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan No. [Inaudible interjection]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Save and except for the end, the immediate past speaker started off on a very good wicket, but then the talking points started to resurface. The overarching theme [of] divide and conquer is all too prevalent in Bermuda. And when persons en-gage in the divide- and-conquer theme, they utilise finger …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan That is the origins of the One Bermuda Alliance. I never denied that I was UBP because I was the last man standing with another man like Swan who decided to go back the other way. And I stayed there. Because Bob Marley says, you know, You got to know …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I want to tell you that the Progressive Labour Party that they accuse of dividing actually put in place the PRC that PRC people today would look at the PLP cockeyed, but they have an equitable system that was put in place to counteract what the UBP had put …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Brother Famous would probably know some of them down in Devonshire. I actually grew up around some of them up in Southamp-ton. I am actually a country boy, up there around the Moores and Madeiros and folks like that. Yes, I grew up chasing cows and all the like. I …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan That is why I challenged cousin Cole last time because I knew he did not think like that. He was one of Dame Lois’s favourites. [She said,] You know, I really like Cole and you. I don’t know why you byes over there . . . and Barritt. And I …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes! And that is the origin of the divide that we in the Black community have to endure daily, currently. I remember a year ago a journalist said very derogatory things during the same tournament that I have to be here today that I am involved in. Right? Saying negative …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan That is what annoys me! You know, when I became a legislator 25 years ago in that esteemed building up on the hill, we had a library. [In] my first year I lived in that library reading the speeches of Dame Lois Browne- Evans, reading the speeches of L. Frederick …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Budget replies.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Budget replies. Reading the solutions that they offered. And the UBP took! You think Bermuda lowered the voting age because we in the UBP wanted to lower the voting age? No! It was the PLP recommendation. You think the Pitt Report came about and made . . . we cherry …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You got them in your head.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I have solutions that I offer and my colleagues have taken. And I am going to get to that; I have 21 minutes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tell us.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Let me share something like this. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I’m here to tell you that when it comes to this economy (right?), I want people to be reminded that we did not just have a global pan50 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly demic. And if persons are going to pin the global pandemic on …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Just like they did the world recession.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Another Hon. Member: Mm-hmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan People still today blame the recession in 2008, 2009 when Dr. Brown, myself, Mr. Don Kramer, Mr. Phil Butterfield, and Mr. Gregory Slayton were causing all the communities to come to-gether to look at that . . . pin the tail on the PLP. That is politics. [ They] ignored …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Uh-oh!
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You know? When we talk about . . . and cousin Ben, I love him dearly, his father did a lot for me in my life. I tell you. And my name is Hubert as well. And he took me around like I was his son back in the Senate. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Zane said he’d take a tree before a job. But I am going to tell you this. You tell me, if there is anybody in this House today that does not see the economic imperative of us getting Southampton Princess rejuvenated and functioning as a hotel. And the argument of …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes! And those properties were around at your time too. And the thing is this: What we must do is let the responsibility of the Opposition . . . when this country is on the cusp of getting an SDO, the opportunity for economic development is real! Because I am …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan England is doing the same thing. I mean, you know, sometimes we have got to get real. And we cannot just push that narrative that will keep us as a people divided. And yes, we are very much concerned that we have to go somewhere else to see our grandchildren. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ooh! Another Hon. Member: Uh-oh!
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Like we had to take or leave Morgan’s Point.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And let me tell you, I come from Southampton. I want Morgan’s Point redeveloped. I believe it should be the second world- class golf Bermuda House of Assembly course. Why? Because when Mid Ocean was taken from my family down in Tucker’s Town (right?), it is now for the specialist. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I write! I have been writing. You know my cousin, Stanley Morton, stopped me at the post office back in the 1980s when I realised that I would never be good enough for a safe seat in the UBP. He said, You know what? You write well. You’re articulate. He …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And that was foresight. And the global recession . . . and when we pinned the tail on the PLP for the global recession, people bought into the narrative. Well, the PLP did not cause XL stock to go down the tube. The PLP did not cause AIG to change …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And countries to fail.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And countries to fail. No! But the narrative that was portrayed against the PLP was political. [Crosstalk] [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Acting Speaker, in the Chair]
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Acting Speaker.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Madam Acting Speaker, we do have a plan to rebuild this economy and I am proud to be a part of it. I just want to touch on the growing of the population base that Minister Hayward has articulated on more than one occasion, on more than two occasions, on …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other persons who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 33. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Madam Acting Speaker. Before I get into my comments, I would like to give thanks to the people who sent me here. The people of constituency 33. I want to give thanks to the family members who knew me before I even knew . . . before my …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons You all are crooked. You all don’t know how to run a country. You are all friends and family. I have heard this before under a bunch of different voices, the same thing. It is the same song over and over again. You can’t, you are, you are this. Right? …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons But what was really interesting . . . I was struck by something because I said I was not going to spend much time on the Opposition’s [Re-ply], but there was something that struck me that I felt needed answering, Mr. Deputy Speaker (back in the Chair). From the Reply, …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons That is their quote. Now, I would like to counter that with another quote from one of their vocal supporters in the Royal Gazette. They said—not a month ago—these words: To be fair, it doesn’t matter how educated a PLP MP is. If he or she is looking for a …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, bring me back to the Throne Speech.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Okay, I will take you right there, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons: But let’s talk a little bit about the cost of living. This is a passion of mine, because part of why we got elected, part of what we campaigned on is breaking down the Two Bermudas. And part of that was the inequities that …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Populism.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons One of my colleagues says “populism.” No, I say it’s opportunism. [Laughter]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Opportunism. That’s a little Berkeley education there, see? But when we . . . I just have to say, I am flipping through my notes and saying I don’t want to be rude today. I want to be nice, because I do have a lot of time for some of …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Chair recognises MP Pearman. Would you stand up and close the debate? [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. I am not sure if the Opposition wants to speak, certainly they have the opportunity, and if they don’t want to speak just let us know and then we can govern ourselves accordingly. The Chair recognises the Honourable Minister Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Another Hon. Member: Guaranteed. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Guaranteed, by the way. Not only were the jobs not increased, Mr. Deputy Speaker, they were decreased by 2,068 jobs. That’s for the time they came into office . Mr. Deputy Speaker, they cut the budget for scholarships, education and training …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Minister, let me refer you to [Standing Order] 19(7), about reading your speech. If we allow you to read your speech, then you have to give a copy to every Member. You can refer to your notes, but you cannot read your speech and reply. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. We have the Honourable Scott Richard Pearman on the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Richard Scott Pearman.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Richard Scott Pearman. I reversed it.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, I’m sorry, you called my name 10 or 15 minutes ago. I should have stood up then. I was dosing, obviously.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. I saw that.
Mr. Scott Pearman Never sleep in the House. Mr. Deputy Speaker, this is my fifth Throne Speech [debate], and in years past what I have tried to do is point out certain things in the Throne Speech that I agree with and am supportive of, and then to go on to point out …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That would be greatly appreciated.
Mr. Scott Pearman But let’s look at policy. As I said, there are things in this Throne Speech, and I am going to follow the Opposition Leader, because he’s mentioned several things that he agreed with and that we as a party agree with in this Throne Speech. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman And see, the heckling has already started, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue. Just talk to me.
Mr. Scott Pearman You see, I told him I am going to tell them things that we agree with.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Talk to me.
Mr. Scott Pearman But no doubt, it is just a divide and conquer strategy on my part. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman But it is about outcomes . . . and here we are. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will put my glasses on. I will read, but only read from the Throne Speech, with your leave.
Mr. Scott Pearman And at page 9 is the creation of a single payment portal for all government services. We absolutely agree. A very, very sensible thing. Some-thing, and I mean this in a bipartisan way, that should have happened long ago. No doubt back in the days that Mr. Kim Swan, MP …
Mr. Scott Pearman —who actually carry coins around in their pocket or something and want to get on a bus. I don’t know. But here we are.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I don’t carry nothing. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman I won’t make a joke about old age passes. I will move on swiftly.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I walk.
Mr. Scott Pearman Likewise, I would like to commend one of the speeches given earlier today by one of the Ministers on the other side. And again, I will doubtless be accused of divide and conquer, but I reject that suggestion.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Just tell the truth, that is all.
Mr. Scott Pearman I will tell the truth. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . I thought the presentation by the Minister of Health of the challenges that are currently faced in Bermuda in regard to our health system was delivered informatively, professionally and shows the effort that is going on in that department. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman If I had to step back and give one general criticism about this Throne Speech, and by the way this is a debate about the Throne Speech although it seems to have largely featured as a debate about the Throne Speech Reply, that may say something. But there we are. …
Mr. Scott Pearman It says this in the middle paragraph, “ Though legislation and policy are the primary levers for serving voters’ interests, Governments have an obligation to ensure that Government services that fall under legislation are delivered well. ” And I think that is really the heart of it. There was a …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Jason Hayward: That is not what I said. What I did was highlight that Bermuda’s economy has expanded beyond pre- pandemic levels. That is a fact. That is what all these statistics show.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: I then highlighted a report from a ratings agency which then re- reported that particular fact as an independent source. So the Honourable Member and I do not have to have a debate on the facts. The facts are the facts. The Deputy Speaker: They are. …
Mr. Scott Pearman You see, that is exactly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, what I am talking about. The facts are the facts . . . by the way, my quote was in quotes, and he repeated it, “expanded beyond pre- pandemic levels” in quotes, and also in quotes, “a strong record of delivery.” Again, …
Mr. Scott Pearman Apparently Minister Hayward is interpolating in from the side and apparently I have misunderstood. If it I have misunderstood, I will move on. But the point I am making is that in order to have a mature, respectful conversation, we need to acknowledge that it is not a light switch. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker But Member, if you go in some countries, you drive around you can see the poverty. You cannot see it here. You really got to go inside. You can see the shacks and all of that type of thing. I think that is what the Minister is referring to.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and if what you are describing is hidden poverty, well then at least we can agree hidden poverty exists and then we can have a conversation on what to do about it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, I say you have to go inside to see it.
Mr. Scott Pearman I think we are in agreement.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmm. Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman Let me just find my place in my notes . . . yes, I was just coming on to our points in our Reply and I think whilst it is my opinion that most on the other side only heard the laundry list of negativity in the 62 10 November …
Mr. Scott Pearman Madam Acting Speaker, with your leave, “To get out of this extraordinary and once- in-alifetime challenge lands on the shoulder of every living Bermudian on this island today. ” The point that struck me in that sentence was that it is not just the responsibility of those in this Chamber. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who says that? Other Hon. Members: Who says that?
Mr. Scott Pearman And I am being chirped in from behind from former Minister Caines, well, All the way PLP, PLP all the way. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman So, there you go. So, moving on. So, moving on, I want to identify another point that I think resonates — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman —in the Throne Speech Reply, and that is at page 9. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable— [Gavel]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable MP will have his time, if he wishes to speak, he may. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman He will have his time as he is rightfully entitled. Thank you, Madam Acting Speaker . And that is the point here at page 9 where the Honourable Opposition Leader identified what he thought was the foremost importance here was to get back to the basics of good governance. And …
Mr. Scott Pearman We have dealt with that, yes, thank you. Minister Hayward is as ever being helpful with his interpolations. But thank you, Minister. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman In fact, here is a point I did miss. One of the refrains obviously in the Opposition Leader’s speech was accountability. One of the refrains in response from the Honourable Minister Jason Hayward was this, and we heard it 9 or 10 times during his speech, the Government you elect …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Acting Speaker.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 19.
Mr. Jache Adams Nineteen.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Jache Adams Let’s have some fun this evening.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Just a minute. Just a minute, Member. I want to make sure you get your full time.
Mr. Jache Adams Thank you.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Yes. You may start.
Mr. Jache Adams Madam [Acting ] Speaker, I want to thank the Honourable Member who just took his seat. You see, I do not believe my colleagues fully understand what just happened. I do not think they fully appreciate that what we just witnessed was a masterclass. You see, we just heard someone …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How many?
Mr. Jache Adams Forty -nine. Many of whom would not been able to do so had it not been for this programme. That is this Govern-ment doing exactly what they say we should do but also demonstrating that this Government is committed to building a nation of owners. We have opened a long- …
Mr. Jache Adams Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, [the] unemployment rate is down significantly. Our tourism figures are up—
Mr. Jache Adams —and GDP, as you know, has surpassed pre- pandemic levels. Again, I am proud of the progress we have made thus far. But Mr. Deputy Speaker , it is not lost on me, and it is not lost on this Government that there are still too many of us going …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jache Adams And so, I say to the listening public that my colleagues and I are not only pleased with this legislative agenda but most importantly we are ready to roll up our sleeves and execute. But Mr. Deputy Speaker , before I go on, I figured I would have a little …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, it was.
Mr. Jache Adams I do not know who their consultants are. Nor do I know who is paying them. But whoever is, I strongly suggest they ask for their money back. I may be the only one on this side of the aisle, but I admit that I had higher expectations for the …
Mr. Jache Adams I think I will start with credit ratings. You see the Opposition may not want to hear it, but the truth is the truth.
Mr. Jache Adams While they were in Government, both S&P [ Global Inc. ] and Moody’s —not just one, both—downgraded Bermuda’s credit rating. S&P said the downgrade reflected the OBA’s continuing weak economic performance and weak public finances.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Imagine that.
Mr. Jache Adams That is the same S&P that has maintained our credit rating since we returned to Government, and in their last report they said they did so because of Bermuda’s strong institutional framework, prosperous economy, and prudent policy making. Mr. Deputy Speaker , both S&P and Moody’s see the differences between …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? Wait.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm, mm, mm.
Mr. Jache Adams It must be emphasised that the One Bermuda Alliance was in Government for just over four years and two of those years resulted in the largest deficit in Bermuda’s history. Bermuda House of Assembly Notice the silence. Please someone correct me if anything I am saying is incorrect. To put …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Imagine that.
Mr. Jache Adams And so here is the point to remember. Whilst the OBA gave us our largest deficit in history, the PLP ha ve been reducing our deficit every year since the pandemic, so much so that this February the Premier will be announcing a balanced budget for the first time in …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker , I am establishing the differences between our parties. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Can you repeat that? I cannot hear you. Can you say that again? [Laughter]
Mr. Jache Adams Here we go because my cousin said one more time. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: One more time!
Mr. Jache Adams While the OBA gave us our largest deficit in history, the PLP has been reducing our deficit every year since the pandemic so much so that this February the Premier will be announcing a balanced budget for this country for the first time in our 20 years. [Desk thumping] Hon. …
Mr. Jache Adams Now, let’s talk about the debt. Let’s talk about the debt seeing as though the One Bermuda Alliance love to talk about the debt.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is one of them.
Mr. Jache Adams I say let’s not run from it. Let’s talk about the debt. The Deputy Speaker: Yes.
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker , as you know, Bermuda’s gross debt at present is $3.3 billion, which is costing the Government approximately $130 million annually to service that debt.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jache Adams It is without a doubt a significant challenge we are facing. And so, I cannot blame the OBA for constantly bringing it up. In fact, I think it is good politics for them to do so. But what baffles me to no end—
Mr. Jache Adams —is how they try to convince the public that the country’s debt is solely the fault of the PLP. They love to remind the people of our debt levels and then point the fingers at us. And so, I think it is only right that I give some facts that …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker , in 2013, the One Bermuda Alliance borrowed $800 million. They increased our debt by $800 million.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is true.
Mr. Jache Adams Three years later, in 2016, they then increased our debt by a further $300 million. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Jache Adams And MP Famous, you are going to love this one because in their 2017/ 18 budget, former Finance Minister Bob Richards said, Had they stayed in Government, they would have borrowed another $135 million. I could not believe it. You see, we must not also lose sight of the fact …
Mr. Jache Adams And so, I think it is only right considering we have a former OBA Premier in the building that he face the public and acknowledge that a significant reason the debt is as high as it is is because of the decisions that happened under his watch. [Inaudible interjections ] …
Mr. Jache Adams Walked into that one. Because let it be known . . . I am going to give you the date, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Let it be known that on December 18 this Government will begin the path towards reducing our debt by $50 million. Some Hon. Member s: Yes. …
Mr. Jache Adams And so, I need it to be crystal clear — [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Jache Adams —I need it to be crystal clear. The OBA borrowed and borrowed and was ready to borrow again. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Jache Adams Whilst they were ready to borrow again, this Progressive Labour Party has now positioned itself to begin the path towards reducing our debt.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member My, my, my, my, my.
Mr. Jache Adams Again, I am simply establishing the differences between our parties. While the OBA made sure to increase payroll taxes to its highest levels ever, the PLP has reduced payroll taxes four times. While the OBA made sure to cut funding for government scholarships, the PLP has increased the amount of …
Mr. Jache Adams While the OBA told our seniors that money does not grow on trees when they were asking for a pension increase, the PLP has honoured its promise and has increased the pensions for our seniors at the rate of inflation. While the OBA found money and used it to fund …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He would do it all again. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes.
Mr. Jache Adams —he would do it all again. What was equally just as bad . . . And I hope the public notices the complicit silence by the remaining M embers of the OBA. I am telling you that is who they are at their very core. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker , again, all I am trying to do is establish the differences between our parties.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jache Adams So Mr. Deputy Speaker , with the 10-plus minutes I have remaining I think I want to talk about a few initiatives that were in the Throne Speech. First, I want to speak about the Homelessness Strat-egy, you see, because I believe that a true measure of this Government —or …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Mr. Pearman? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Acknowledgement was given specifically in my address. I know we discussed it. Thank you. So, he is misleading the House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay, now, Mr. Adams, you heard that, didn’t you?
Mr. Jache Adams I digress, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Nonetheless, I am excited to see the fruits of this col-lective effort to end homelessness, and I fully support the intent of the initiative. Finally, Mr. Deputy Speaker , I would like to end by expressing my enthusiasm for the progression of education reform. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. [Desk thumping]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Cannonier, are you going to take the . . . If you are not going to get up, I . . . Mr. Cannonier, I am talking to you. Are you getting up? If not, t hen I will suggest that the Premier get up. I am going to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Pearman, who is running this? Mr. Cannonier, who is running this?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is okay.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is perfectly okay. The Deputy Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Just following the protocol. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I think what I want to do first is address some of the things that were said that quite frankly were not in the line of exact facts. There was an Honourable Member who stood to his feet and talked about …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Premier? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: I am not trying to interrupt the Honourable former Premier, but he is certainly, I think, misleading the House. Is he saying that jobs for Bermudians increased from 2012 and 2017 when 2, 000 jobs …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Mr. Cannonier, just repeat it so we can all understand.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. I will continue on. I think the facts are there. They have been stated many, many times. The graphs have been shown in this Honourable House on numerous occasions, and to continue on some of what I would consider to be misleading facts going forward, yes , in fact, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We know.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But the fact is, when we became Government in December of 2012, by the time February had come around in 2013, the stark reality was we were unable to pay even civil servants at the time. And I have told this story many times in the House. And so, we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There is a p oint of order. 68 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Deputy Speaker , I have the information that comes from the government statistics on accurate employment from the period of 2012 to 2015 …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member Cannonier, you need to retract that statement.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, there . . . No. He is only quoting from 2012 through 2015, and I think he needs to get the statistics. I said up until 2017. Part of 2012, the majority of 2012, was accountable to the PLP Government at the time.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker So, you are saying— [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is right. There was no OBA budget. Right? So, what I am saying is that if you take it to the full term that we were in Government —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Until 2017.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. That is correct. And I would appreciate it if they would look up— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. In the statistics that are published from the Department of Statistics, the number of Ber-mudians who were employed, the difference in 2012 and 2017 . . . There were 1,461 less Bermudians employed between …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member will you —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker —retract that statement?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, once again, 2012 was accountable to the PLP Government —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker One second. One second, Mr. Cannonier. Will you retract that statement because it is incorrect? How about 2012 to 2017?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I think we are going . . . I can retract the statement —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —but I will bring back the facts.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No problem. I will bring back the facts. But that goes back to . . . You are talking about borrowing money here. And the greatest money borrowed . . . this, this . . . What happens when you cannot feed people? I mean, this Government under-stands exactly what …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order ? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is completely misleading the House on that statement. I know because I came in as Minister of Finance, and there were budget deficits that were projected for forward years. The Honourable Member …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member — Hon. E. David Burt: The budget projections had projected an increase of the debt ceiling again the first year we came in. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He must retract. Trust me. I will find the B udget Bermuda House of Assembly Statement if he …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier He is coming with facts that he needs to present here. We know when we were Government at the time—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker One second. One second. Let’s pause. I think you need to leave that alone until the Premier will get those statements and show them to you, and then we will go from there. So, if you can just pass on from there for the time being.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member cannot bring a plan that the OBA was putting into place.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Do you have one in front of you?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No, I do not. But I was the Premier at that time , and I recognise that . . . Michael [Dunkley] was the Premier at th e time, the Honourable Member, and I recognise the plan that was put in place was to balance the budget before the election …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —in order to do that. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order. Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Deputy Speaker , I refer to the estimates of revenue that were tabled in this House in February 2017 for the budget year, and the Honourable Member just said they were projected to balance the budget the following year and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, I would ask you to retract that statement because it is incorrect. The Premier is reading right from your statements.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is the Budget Book.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker From the Budget Book. [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It is right there. So I would ask you to retract that statement.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. I will take your leadership on that. We will make sure that that is retracted but I will be coming back —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No. No. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Just retract that —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I just said it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, but that is —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I retract the same.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I said that.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker All right. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes— [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —so this is what I am going to say. I am glad that we are on to this point because I have not said anything yet.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So let’s just say something. I find it uncomprehensible [sic]—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Incomprehensible. 70 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: —and frankly, unbelievable that when you come into Government at the end of 2012 you cannot pay civil servants and you have to borrow money in order to ensure that the operation of this …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And they need to deal with those challenges.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker But I don’t think the Member that—
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Let me finish.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No, no, no, no. I don’t think the Member who made that point . . . he was saying you borrowed. He wasn’t criticising. He was letting you know the facts.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. I am agreeing with that.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Right.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I admitted that we borrowed it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, but your comment is like you are criticising him for saying it. He is only pointing out the facts that you borrowed the money. That is all I am trying to say to you. It was not a criticism. That is the facts.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier What I was saying is that we had to borrow the money. The largest debt. He is talking about the largest amount ever that they have seen. There was a reason for that. And we are neglecting the total reasoning behind why this money had to be borrowed. Now, are …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Despite that. In spite of that. So, you know, we can go on with the rhetoric. I can as-sure you that it doesn’t help when a Minister misleads the public and parents of kids when he gets up and gives a speech. It does not help. And it does not …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What’s your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading and imputing improper motive] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : The Member is misleading and imputing improper motive. He needs to . . . he needs to provide proof of what he is talking about if he is talking about a …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that. What I was referring to was that parents were told that the Whitney [Institute Middle] School had been consulted with and that it was okay for the kids to go to Whitney and that was not the case at all. Whitney came …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : The Member is misleading again. I would ask him to produce proof that the public statement was made that Whitney Institute had been consulted.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member just needs to look at the newspaper. It was in the newspaper. [Inaudible interjections and uproar ] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Deputy Speaker!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Now— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —Mr. Deputy Speaker! —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Now— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Deputy Speaker! If that Member cannot produce proof, he must retract that.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: If he cannot table proof right now, he must retract that statement.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, you just cannot get up and make statements and you do not have anything to back [it] up with. You are impugning the integrity of the Minister.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am not impugning the integrity of the Minister.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, that is what happened.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I think the Minister knows —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, but have you got the proof? I cannot just allow one to get up, and particularly when it has been disputed. If you have got it, fine. If not, you got to retract it. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Perfectly fine. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, yes, yes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker At this point you need to retract it. Now if you have got the facts, produce it. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier It is in the public information that Whitney — The Deputy Speaker: Produce it. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Sit down, Minister.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier All right. Okay.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You know, you have got to prove it here. I just can’t just allow that. Then everybody gets up and does the same thing.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier It happened today. All day today. [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Now, Mr. . . . Honourable Member, you are attacking me now. Do not ever do that as long as I am sitting in this Chair. It has not happened all day. Let’s not play games. Not here. Not while I am here.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In my estimation today there has been a lot of things said that were not true. But the proof has not been shown. So I recognise that as far as you are concerned you would like to see some of these things presented to them. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: —because I do not appreciate the fact that the Honourable Member is questioning the in-tegrity of the Chair. POINT OF ORDER [Challenging the Chair] Hon. E. David Burt: I would just like to remind the Honourable Member that you have asked for retractions after points …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Premier. You can continue.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. The Honourable Member has just pulled up the Royal Gazette. Let me just get the facts here. 72 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly [Pause and crosstalk ]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I can continue on. Yes, I will let him pull it up.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So, one of the challenges that I have is that the people of Bermuda are now looking and saying, Well, you know, where are we going with things? And I can go down a litany of all kinds of challenges that we have had. As I have said already, we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. [ Inaudible interjection]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier From collective blindness. And it was an interesting article as he went through it. I will not regress to that particular opinion piece, but it was very clear. The opinion was, Hold on a second here. What’s going on? When you have professionals weighing in and trying to tell the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —and we are talking about the SDO, then people begin to question, Well, hold on a second. What exactly are we doing here? Now, the Premier has every right to go ahead and shuffle his Cabinet and the likes, and he has moved Planning to another Minister, but at the …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Well, you better give more substantial answer then you just don’t agree. Now, he has the right to go ahead. We recognise that as the Minister. Hon. E . David B urt: Point of or der.
Mr. L . Craig C annonier He has t he right. Hon. E . David B urt: Point of or der, Mr . Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What i s your poi nt of or der, Mr . Premier? POINT O F ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House again. The Deputy Premier had an entire press conference where he went over all of the reasonings that were given. I do …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, the Deputy Leader of this country and the Minister of Planning gave the reasons [to] all the questions. That is why he gave reasons. He took his time, very meticulously, he gave reasons. I would ask you to withdraw that statement. [Crosstalk and laughter]
Mr. L . Craig C annonier Yes. Y es. Okay. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I have 10 minutes and well, just a little less than 11 minutes. [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, I asked you to retract the statement.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, okay. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Okay. Are you retracting?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I’m trying —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No. I’m listening. I’m listening.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will retract that.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier What I would say is this. This is a classic example of what I said. It is not listening. It is just not listening. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And this whole — [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And now we are using unparliamentary language in the House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You know —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Here we are, the point is that the public are feeling that this Government is not listening.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, Honourable Member, let me say this here. You can remain on your feet. The Minister of Planning and Deputy Premier, extended the time for people to make objections. He did not have to; he extended it. For you to say he is not listening, I don’t know, . . …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I said in public.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, he extended the objection period to the public.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, he did. And a lot of objections came in.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Plenty of them.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Right. Well, then he has to make a decision and he made a decision, and he explained it.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I did say that he has the right. I did— The Deputy Speaker: Yes, you did.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —commit to the fact that he has the right.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But the people believe that his answering was not substantial, and he was not listening, especially to the concerns of experts who have already weighed in on the situation. So, you know, we can say that he gave a substantial answer to what he believed was the case, but I …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And that they did not weigh in clearly to the concerns that were laid out to the people of Bermuda. [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That’s better. [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier You know, I think one of the drastic differences that I have been talking about is the fact that we have not seen . . . you know, we can give and give and give. And lower taxes . . . let’s just use food for an example. We are …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But at the same time, factors that are outside of us are increasing the challenge, like sugar going up 33 per cent, increasing the challenge that we have got to find a better way of getting goods to the Island at a better price. Now, some things we cannot change. …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Deputy Speaker, you have got Elbow Beach closed and you have got South-ampton Princess closed. Maybe one of the suggestions should be to take the $120 million that you are dumping into this particular Grand Atlantic and put it into these established hotels that are already there.
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier If you have got an issue with—
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What’s your point of order, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Christopher Famous The Member is either misleading the House or not good with numbers. He made a statement that $120 million is being, in his words, dumped into the Grand Atlantic. Mr. Deputy Speaker, there is no such figure.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Christopher Famous Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Would you like for me to pull up the actual number? You are on a roll, you know. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. So we know that it is going to be in the range of between $92 [million] to $100plus million.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You are speculating.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is what the Minister spoke to when he was in the House. That was the cost that he spoke to. Now, we invariably know the realities of building these things when it comes to costing and of these . . . they invariably will go over a little.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So, for the edification of some Members in here, we are going to spend $90 [million] to $100 million that we quite frankly can invest in two properties, pristine properties, the best properties for a hotel to be built —
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is you point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Christopher Famous The totality from Grand Atlantic to the . . . what is that now? It is $92 million. It was not $92 million to convert it to a hotel. Stop with the inaccurate numbers.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, I . . . continue, Mr. Cannonier. Continue, Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Well, the money has been spent.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And it will come to that amount. Now, we are still waiting for the updates on the work that is being done up there. And let’s see what those numbers come in like. But the challenge that we have is we are directing monies when we have two pristine hotels …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Let me say this, Mr. Cannonier. That $90 million would not do [anything] to Elbow Beach. Would not do [anything].
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I think what I am talking about —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I understand what you are alluding to (right?), but if you are talking about a higher figure, you know, it may be true. But $90 million would not even . . . no near completion for Elbow. Everything has to be pulled down and started all over. Bermuda House of …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, yes, yes, yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Let me — [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, this has been an interesting one, that’s for sure! [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier This has been . . . actually, I anticipated it, to tell you the truth.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I did too. [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I anticipated it too. I anticipated it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That’s why I know you came last.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, that’s right. Yes. Yes. I anticipated it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You are true to form, brother.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I am trying to be nice. [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You are always nice. [Laughter] [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No, you are wrong. Be careful. Call the election, maybe. Call the election.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Come on, [Mr.] Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Call the election. I looked on page 9 and I am going to give him a few props here.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That’s nice of you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I looked on page 9, Planning. I mean, I tried to build a deck. It took a year to get approval. A wooden deck! How is that even possible? Unbelievable! Almost a year just to build a wooden deck. And according to the Government by that time, you know, prices, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But I am glad to see this. It is a long time coming. It is the theme with this one here. Immigration, on page 9. Customer service must be improved. Well, you know what the OBA did? They went and hired a company to help to get caught up because …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Pretty ridiculous when you think about it, right? But it took that time.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Right. But you know we are not in charge of that, don’t you?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You know we are not in charge of that?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No, no, no. What I am saying is, just talking about it, he has got it here that we are going to improve customer service and the likes and all I am saying is that this is a long time coming.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Creation of a single payment . . . and I think this is probably the one thing that I was more excited about than anything. We are going to create a payment portal for all government services, ena-bling people to come in, to be able to, you know, make their …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —and the likes. That is frustrating. But it is nice to see that it is in there. And then I turn over to page 11. Now, I do not know all of the incidents that speak to the issue of street harassment in Bermuda. This seems to be a specific …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Finish your sentence. Finish your sentence.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And not only that, we have a culture of disrespect for good morals in this Island. And we have got to do more. We have got to pump up the police, get them to where they need to be because this needs to be stamped out. It is a scourge …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Mr. Cannonier. Mr. Famous, I hope you are the last.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to thank you for your allowances here.
Mr. Christopher Famous I would like to echo some of my colleagues. Mr. Deputy Speaker, today I was disappointed. Mr. Deputy Speaker, for the last three years since July 2020 I have got to know the Honourable Member of this House who throughout the three years has been extremely meticulous. He has been …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Standing Order 19(11)(a) –Rules of Debate]
Mr. Scott Pearman I refer you to Standing Order Rule 19(11)(a) that speakers and Members should confine their observations to the subject under discussion which of course is the Throne Speech, not the previous bye-election. [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Christopher Famous I am talking about the Throne Speech. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am talking about the Reply to the Throne Speech and the Throne Speech last week which they said they would have the answers in this week. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous So here we go. [Reply to the] Throne Speech. I took a glance through it. I am looking for the solution. I went to the last page and did not see anything. I thought it was just me. Then I looked at the comments on the Royal Gazette and OBA …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I want to . . . I can understand that, but not too much about Cayman. We are doing the Throne Speech.
Mr. Christopher Famous No, this is relevant to what they said in their [Reply to the] Throne Speech, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, but —
Mr. Christopher Famous I will move on, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will not be retracted.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Please. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me move on.
Mr. Christopher Famous They made great emphasis about we are not listening. We are not listening. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as you know, we canvass. And we also do surveys. And one of the surveys in Devonshire says that the greatest concern of people are the roads (52 per cent); foliage on the road, …
Mr. Christopher Famous And they were all of Caribbean heritage—some first generation.
Mr. Christopher Famous When we hear OBA supporters saying we should not be joining CARICOM, Why do we have to be involved in CARICOM? These are our people, Mr. Deputy Speaker . It is in the Throne Speech, so I am bringing it to a point. Mr. Deputy Speaker, if you travel to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, nice.
Mr. Christopher Famous OECD are the people that black -listed us. The UK are the ones that throw us under the bus all the time. The United States throws us under the bus. The European Union throws us under the bus. The only people that work with us, who stand with us is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Chair recognises the Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain. Minister Rabain, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I want to actually take this time to thank all of the honourable colleagues on this side who have spoken. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, [Madam Acting] Speaker.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Minister is imputing improper motive. Again, and I have said it before, to suggest that either political party in this Chamber does not care is really beneath you, Ministe r.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister, continue. 80 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Crosstalk] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam [Acting] Speaker. Thank you, Madam [Acting] Speaker, and I believe actually acknowledging that is simply just taking me off my game because we all hear …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member . Are there any other Member s who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 29, Zane De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam [Acting] Speaker. God’s country, indeed. Madam [Acting] Speaker, I left the House a little while ago to …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Or potential clients that he is trying to get to come to Bermuda. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Does he say that to his current list or his potential clients that want to come to Ber-muda , that Bermuda is a failed state? Don’t come and give us any …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nope! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No point of order there, is it? [Inaudible interjections] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And then, the Honourable Member Pearman also says, Oh, we are going to wait for the Government to get up and defend our Throne …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker No, it was not. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker That is why I am adding time. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is nice to know that it is set now.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Yes, go ahead. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, leave it at that. Yes. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, when they say We are going to defend our Throne Speech, no, no, no, no, we won’t. You will not hear Members defending the Thone Speech. I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Public. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You have to go to the public schools. You see, they pick and choose. The private schools can pick and choose—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Cherry pick. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —who those school children will be. And yes, they cherry pick. Of course they do! And we are left, as a G overnment , to try our best to give our children the best education that we possibly can. And I always …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member One acre. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: One acre. If you have nine acres up at Cross Island and it cost $40 million, simple mathematics says it is $4.4 [million] —$4.4 million an acre! Now, we have a couple of things there. First of all, I do not remember …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A lot of criticism, though. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, we caught a lot of stuff over that. Yes, we did. Now listen, I did not think we . . . no, let us do this first. Madam Acting Speaker, I am looking at the Reply to the …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That doesn’t sound like . . . I will tell you who it does sound like. The consultant that has been consulting for them since I have been in this House. I mean, really, “Government into stooges” — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Unbelievable. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: In a Reply to the Throne Speech. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But on the very front page it says, “Let’s get it done. Together!” Who is that? [Laughter] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Wait …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Setting him up! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Like they did his predecessor.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You write this stuff, they read it . . . I tell you what, as anyone on this side knows . . . and my Premier knows. When I sat in Cabinet, you won’t get me . . . no Cabinet …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He is interim. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Interim, still an interim. You guys must be busy. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, here are some of the quotes from the now interim Leader of the Opposition. Look, 1“the Government [are] putting [their] own interests—and the interests …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 14. You have the floor.
Mr. Wayne Caines If it pleases you, Madam Acting Speaker. I seek your permission to read two paragraphs, Madam [Acting] Speaker. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs …
Mr. Wayne Caines Of course they must extol the virtue, the vision, the words of their party. That is their right. That is their responsibility. But just as how they have a responsibility, we have a mandate that was first given to us in November 1998. And that is to lead t he …
Mr. Wayne Caines An independent living centre. So, we take all of the issues that we have around the helping services and the child and family services, they are going to build homes for our young people that so when they are 17 years old and remaining in the care of the director, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Or sell them!
Mr. Wayne Caines Or sell them, or lease them or rent them, or occupy them! And this party has a plan to open up, to use, to refix to repurpose derelict homes to give our people a place to live. And that is not lauded? That is not held up? The list of …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 7. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Good evening, Madam Acting Speaker, to those in the listening audience and those colleagues who are here present. Madam Acting Speaker, I will say that under normal circumstances I would have chosen not to speak based upon the comments that have been made by the previous speakers. But for today, …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Interim—who is the interim Leader of the OBA. Earlier today, I participated in a short debate as to whether or not the Reply to the Throne Speech was better or worse than last year’s Reply. And actually, before today there was some commentary in terms of someone said there is …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Unfortunately, today I will say that in my honest opinion, you have not done bet-ter. 90 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly We know that each of us are individuals, but we represent a constituency. And in this instance for you, Honourable Jarion Richardson, and also …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Unfortunately, today that has not been the case. What has been amazing to me, and I will come to my real point in a minute, is that ear-lier today I actually looked at the two speeches that were given and from the PLP it says Speech from the Throne, Serving …
Mr. Anthony Richardson —is that because they send their children there, there are significant financial resources that are passed toward those schools. And that is also part of the reason why they are successful. I will say this, and it is a fact. You can look and see now how many children are …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Anthony Richardson And I will say this that as evidence of the PLP’s forward- looking vision which has been alluded to by MP Jache Adams and certainly has been repeated many times by the Premier David Burt in his role as Minister of Finance. The PLP has starred in a major way …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Any further speakers? At this point, the length of the speech is just 20 minutes. Honourable Minister, you have 20 minutes. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, we have heard from many speakers on this side of the aisle tonight. And you …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, snuck! Hon. Vance Campbell: —a certain character. They snuck into Parliament at 5:00 am to avoid the protests of the people. Then were complicit, as we have heard already today, and those people who were protesting being pepper -sprayed. Mr. Deputy Speaker, you would know better than most in …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, I know them. Hon. Vance Campbell: Neighbours of Mr. and Mrs. Jones who live next to the Brown’s, the Williams’s and the Douglas’s. If they had to write what they wanted to see in the Speech from the Throne, what would they put in there? What would be the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Deputy Premier, Walter Roban. You have the floor, sir. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Thank you for the opportunity to make a brief contribution to the debate that we have …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, you don’t have to have to take the whole 20 minutes. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Because the Members of the Progressive Labour Party who sit in this Chamber always give a thorough, substantive critique around the issues that we are presented with. Even as somebody who has been …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Everything. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —of the bases. They have substantively dealt with the issues. They have struggled to 96 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly respond to the Opposition’s Reply, but they have substantively presented this Government ’s plan for this upcoming period. The Honourable …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Some Hon. Member s: Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The FAR will be reduced. And also additionally, Mr. Deputy Speaker, there will be changes to how the FAR will be handled. This is nothing new. This has been announced already in the media by and large that the RA …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Mr. Premier — Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I do believe that I am the one who needs to close out this debate as there are no further speakers who wish [to speak] and I was pleased to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: And what is typically supposed to happen is the Government lays out its vision, talks about the laws that it wants to change, talks about the things it’s going to do in the parliamentary session and typically the Opposition goes ahead and speaks about what …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: And I quote, The only assumption that we in the PLP can make is that the One Bermuda Alliance knows that our policy is the right policy for Bermuda’s future but they cannot say so and that is why they refuse to say what they …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Eighteen. Hon. E. David Burt: December 18 we will pay down $50 million of debt and retirement, Mr. Deputy Speaker . [Desk thumping] Hon. E. David Burt: Then they say, Imagine a Bermuda where we can “ manage the complexities of foreign direct investments, global corporate tax . . . …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Say what you are going to change. Say what you are going to do. Say what you will do differently. Nothing. Silence. Cowardice. Cowardice, Mr. Deputy Speaker . An Hon. Member: A high school essay, that’s what it is. Hon. E. David Burt: Cowardice. Now, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, thank you, Mr. [Premier]. You have something else? MESSAGE TO THE GOVERNOR Hon. E. David Burt: Absolutely, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that the following message be sent to the Governor: May it please your Excellency, we the Members of the House of Assembly …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any objections to that? There appear to be none. It will be done. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, at this time I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Friday, 24 November.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The House will be adjourned until Friday, 24 November [at] ten o’clock. [Gavel] [At 9:45 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 24 November 2023.] 102 10 November 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank.]
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