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Senate Session 2022/2023 72 speeches

October 4, 2023

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Session Summary

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The Senate welcomed new Opposition Leader Robin Tucker and swore in Senator Dwayne Robinson. The main focus was introducing new laws to allow distilleries to operate in Bermuda for the first time since the 1890s, with strict licensing and safety requirements. Ministers provided updates on the airport firefighter training program, with 23 local recruits successfully completing their courses in the UK and replacing overseas consultants. There were also questions about payment delays on the Bermudiana Hotel project, with explanations provided about the contractual structure and financing issues.

Chamber Senate
Date Oct 4, 2023
Session 2022/2023
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Speakers 4
Speeches 72

Key Topics

New distillery licensing laws to allow local production of spirits like rum and whiskeyUpdate on Bermuda International Airport firefighter training programAnnual Gombey Festival showcase announcement for October 21stQuestions about delays in payments for the Bermudiana Hotel projectReport on Commonwealth Youth Ministers meeting in London

Bills & Motions

Distilleries Licensing Act 2023 - read second time (would repeal 1890s prohibition laws)
Trade Marks Act 2023 - read second time
Health Insurance Amendment Act 2023 - read second time
Financial Assistance Amendment (No. 2) Act 2023 - read second time
National Training Board Amendment Act 2023 - read second time
Employment (Protection of Employee Tips) Amendment Act 2023 - read second time
Motor Car (Classic Cars) Amendment Act 2023 - read second time
Two regulatory orders for trade marks and immigration - presented for future consideration

Notable Moments

Junior Minister Emily Dill announced that local firefighters have successfully replaced overseas consultants at the airport after completing specialized training in Newcastle, UK
Detailed questioning revealed multiple payment delays on the Bermudiana Hotel project, with some payments being 20-43 days overdue
Minister Darrell announced $30,000 in heritage grants ($5,000 each) to all six Gombey troupes performing at this year's festival

Debate Transcript

72 speeches from 4 speakers
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam President, I hereby present for the information of Senate the Legal Aid Annual Report 2023. Thank you. The President: Thank you. And the next is in the name of Senator Robinson, the Junior Minister for Economy and Labour. Senator Leslie Robinson, you have the floor. DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, since my last Statement on this matter, I am pleased to report that our 23 local recruit firefighters who travelled to Newcastle, UK, on the 5 th of August 2023 for six weeks to receive specialist training have successfully completed their foundational training course …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President, and thank you to the Junior Minister for that detailed response, which I think many people will find quite informative. I do have two or three follow -up questions if I may, Madam President? The President: Yes, you may. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Senator Robinson, for describing the kind of structure of the contract. You made reference to a board in your answer to question 1. Could you please clarify which board that is? Sen. Leslie Robinson: Is that the only question?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Oh, no. Then my second question would be with respect to the financing, which is, Why was the financing delayed or not put in place with ample time to make the payments? Which in a way, you know, I understand most projects like this, we would have a prett y …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto No. Those are my two questions, Madam President. The President: Thank you, Senator De Couto. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Okay. I am going to just reiterate the first part of my answer to question 1, which will hopefully answer Senator De Couto’s first question. The contract for the Bermudiana project is …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. It is just a comment. I really enjoyed this event last year with my family and would encourage everyone to make it out. And I think it might be useful to reiterate that it has been rescheduled. The Minister did take care to emphasise the new …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. In light of the fact that there are no technical officers currently present, I will get the answers to those questions to Senator Tucker as soon as possible. The President: Thank you, Senator Dill, Emily Dill. With that said, then this ends our Question Period. ORDERS …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President, and thank you to the Minister for bringing this Bill to the Senate. I would just like to share with the Senate and the listening public. I am currently the Chairman of the National Museum of Bermuda. And we have the potential of having discussions with …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. And thank you to the Minister for bringing this Bill forward. It is very important that we are up to date with various international standards and that we are able to offer people the same kind of facilities and capabilities that they might find in other …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. I would just like to take the opportunity to thank the Government for presenting this Bill and for the changes that are being made to the trade mark [legislation]. And certainly to say that it is extremely important that we continue to advance as we operate …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto No. They were just general comments. Thank you, Senator. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Okay. Thank you very much, Madam President. With that said, I move that the Bill entitled the Trade Marks Act 2023 be now read a second time. The President: Is there any objection to the second …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. We support this and recognise the importance of it for carrying out the modernisation and ensuring the good order in our trade mark regime here in Bermuda. Thank you. The President: Thank you. Would any other Senator care to speak on this Bill? Hearing none, then …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. And thank you to the Minister for the presenta-tion. I want to make sure I am understanding something that he said, and it is around the financial impact of the changes for our budget. I will say my understanding, and perhaps the Minister can correct me …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto You mentioned that the UK experience was that the new laws would increase registrations. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Ah, yes. Yes.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Would that be a one- time bump or would that be a continued increase? Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: All right. I believe I have an understanding on what that may be. However, I do not want to speak out of turn. So I just am awaiting the …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam President. The President: Thank you, Senator. And those were the only questions. So you can proceed. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam President. I move that the said draft Regulations be approved and that the following message be sent to …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Madam President. I just wanted to . . . I would like to also extend my congratulations to the Ministry for bringing this Bill to the table. And certainly it is amazing that even in 2023 there are still dangers associated with childbirth. So to …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. Like my colleague, I certainly appreciate seeing this Bill. If you recall when we had the minimum wage discussions, the debates, one of the Opposition points was that we felt that it should come along with something to protect the workers’ tips and gratui ties. So …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. I would just like to take the opportunity to commend the Senator for presenting this Bill this afternoon. I believe that it shows a true demonstration of sensitivity to the employees ensuring that they get all they deserve in terms of the work that they p …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. Point of order. The President: Senator De Couto, what is your point of order? 622 4 October 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives]
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto The Minister is imputing improper motives, Madam President. I am not attempting to throw shade. I am attempting to elicit information for the general public. Thank you, Madam President. The President: Thank you, Senator De Couto. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: And as I stated before clearly, the Senator knew …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes, Madam President. Thank you, Senator Robinson. With respect to some people’s concerns about my questions, I think we got quite a reasonable answer that will prove useful to people. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam President, if I may.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Excuse me. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Point of order. The President: Minister, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Standing Order 26 –Debating the principle of a Bill ] B ermuda Senate Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Do the Standing Orders allow Senator De Couto to speak …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto It was following up on the question about the placement of the tips. It would be great if the Government would perhaps provide some quite explicit guidance to establishments so patrons of establishments could be quite certain as to where their tip money was going. For example, would you like …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. First of all, I would like to thank my Senate colleague for her support of this Bill. And I would certainly like to thank our new Senator for weighing in regarding his perspective on this particular matter. You will have noticed this morning that there was …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill May we move the Bill? The President: Yes, you may. Thank you. [Pause] The President: Can I just ask? You all have the amendment that was made in the House? That is fine. I just wanted to clarify that because I have it before me. Senator Dill, you can move …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Mm-hmm. The President: The second reading.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. Madam President, I move that the Bill entitled Motor Car (Classic Cars) Amendment Act 2023 be now read a second time. The President: Is there any objection to the second reading? No objection. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 26
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam President, I move that [Standing Order] 26 be suspended in respect of this Bill. The President: Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. [Motion carried: Standing Order 26 suspended.] 626 4 October 2023 Official Hansard Report Ber muda Senate Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill: Madam President, …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. Certainly this is a very sad day when we have to put legislation in place in order to address — [Inaudible interjections ]
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Certainly is a very sad day when we would have to put forth legislation in order to address inappropriate behaviours toward our public officers. Like so many of my colleagues here in the Chamber today, we listen to this legislation and are ap-palled when we think of the fact that …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I do not believe that Senator Darrell has any idea what we would like or not like. And I would appreciate his refraining from interpolating for us. Thank you, Madam President. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam President, I can focus my debate and my speech on the things that …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President, and thank you for the opportunity to speak on this Bill. We want to be clear. We generally support this Bill, the aims of this Bill. We also want to be clear [about] our empathy and sensitivity for the people work-ing in Financial Assistance. It is …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon. Senators, we are now in Committee of the whole for the further consideration of the Bill entitled the Financial Assistance Amendment (No. 2) Act 2023. I call on the Junior Minister Robinson to proceed. Senator, you have the floor. Se n. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I move that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. It has been moved that clause 3 be approved. Does anyone want to speak to clause 3? I see Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. It is interesting because if we think about the law . . . again, I am not a lawyer. But think about even policies and procedures. It is not enough to say, Hey, this law might not be that great, but no one has ever abused …
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I am not sure which debate the Senator is sitting in on, but I have not heard anyone in this Chamber say that this Bill is not a great Bill. So maybe he is in a …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto, please proceed. 636 4 October 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto: Thank you, Madam Chairman. And if I want to . . . an interesting thing I think that has come out of this is that this Bill, this clause actually, would …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator De Couto. Senator Tucker, I saw that you had your hand up, too. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I actually just wanted to just to chime in again just to reinforce the fact that while there are similar sec-tions in other pieces of legislation, dealing …
The Chairman Chairman Does anyone else wish to speak to clause 3 and the proposed amendment? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Yes, Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I see Senator Simmons . . . Senator Darrell. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am trying to just, you know, get us down the road as to what we are actually here to do today. And unfortunately, what I am hearing is a lot of …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of information, Madam Chairman. Point of information. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I really do not have time for his information, Madam Chairman. Can I continue on?
The Chairman Chairman So you are not accepting the point of information? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: No, thank you.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order, Senator De Couto? POINT OF ORDER
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto The Senator is misrepresenting the amendment, which is not related to the as-sault and threats. It is just related to use of language, Madam Chairman. Thank you. The President: Thank you, Senator De Couto. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Well, it is language if someone is saying that this is …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam Chairman. Sen. Kiernan Bell: What is your point of order, Senator De Couto? POINT OF ORDER
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Once again the Senator is inferring that we do not support that, protecting that officer. Again, we are we taking . . . the amendment that is proposed by my colleague is only about the clause around the use of foul language, not obstruction or threats and so forth. Thank …
The Chairman Chairman Does anyone else wish to speak to clause 3 and the amendment? Yes, Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: I will be very brief because I feel like we have gone around on this for a bit of time. I believe it is disingenuous to suggest that because we do not …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. Would anyone else like to speak to the proposed amendment for clause 3 ? [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to the amendment? [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman There are multiple Senators objecting so we will have to have a vote. Bear with me, this is my first time. [Laughter] The Clerk: Okay, Senators, we will now have a vote. We will call the names for voting on the proposed amendment. Those in favour of the amendment will …
The Chairman Chairman The motion to amend has been defeated [by six to four]. [Motion defeated by majority on division. The amendment to clause 3 of the Financial Assistance A mendment (No. 2) Act 2023 failed .] The Clerk: So, Senator Robinson you can move clause 3 as printed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection; agreed to. [Motion carried: Clause 3 passed.] [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson, you can move the rest of your [clauses] and you may wish to do so in an omnibus fashion. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 4, 5, 6, and 7 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the proposed clauses be approved. Is there any . . . does any Senator wish to speak to those clauses? Does any Senator wish to object to that motion? No. No objection; agreed to. [Motion carried: Clauses 4 through 7 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to move the Schedule now, Senator Robinson? Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I move that the Schedule be approved as [printed].
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to that motion? Seeing none, no objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Schedule passed.] Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to that motion? Seeing none, no objection. Agreed to. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I move that the title stand as part of the Bill.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to that motion? Seeing none . . . Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I move that the Bill be adopted. Bermuda Senate The Chairman: It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the Senate for adoption. Is there any objection to that motion? Sen. …
The Chairman Chairman So the Bill will be reported to the Senate as printed. So now I can yield the Chair to Madam President. [The Financial Assistance Amendment (No. 2) Act 2023 was considered by a Committee of the whole Senate and passed without amendment.] [Pause] Senate resumed at 4:08 pm [Sen. the …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. Some of you may know that the Gold Cup Invitational Match Racing regatta is occurring this week. It is a long, very, very long running international sailing competition. One of the oldest ones and quite prestig-ious in the form of match racing one on one. And …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. I would like to first start by associating myself with the condolences for Cecil Butch Hendrickson, a wonderful gentleman who used to attend our church and he will be deeply missed. Also, former Senator Michelle Simmons, who. . . we will all deeply miss her. She …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. I appreciate the opportunity to speak. It has been awhile since we have met and there has been quite a lot of activity that I feel the need to comment [about] on behalf of the people of Bermuda. Obviously we have had this Government hack; BELCO …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto All right. Let me put it more bluntly, if you will allow, Madam President. Frankly, the Premier is either misleading himself or misleading the people if he says what is going on with the Government now is an example of resilience— Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam President, point of …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto —and there are many, many examples. The President: Minister Darrell, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I know that Senator De Couto wishes that he sits in the House of Assembly, or another place, and I know it really pains him …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I will move on, but I would just like to note that the Senator has completely mis-represented what I said with respect to the Premier’s 646 4 October 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate public comments on international TV, Internet news stations. Another thing that I have learned with respect …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, there are many iterations of the quote Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it , which was first recorded as being said by the Spanish American philosopher George Santayana in 1905. Madam President, as I look around me it seems …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President . He is misleading the Senate and imputing improper motive . . . and I am not having it. Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: —public access to government services, Madam President . The Senator failed to point out that there was extensive consultation …
Madam President . Sen. Robin Tucker Madam President. The President: Minister. Sen. Robin Tucker: Madam President, he has taken that comment completely out of context when he is comparing it to the former Senate Leader, and so I would ask him to correct it. Thank you, Madam President . Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, …
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